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friend of Jerry show, Ryan Leif, Ryan, I'll tell you what, I didn't think I would be able to get in contact with you for some reason. I'm happy we did because we have similar stories in a way, I was never a football player, but other stuff we share in common. But hey, thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to come on here. I know you're super busy draft coming up. First thing I got for you though is, uh, who's the best quarterback in this draft class? I, I thought, I thought it was CJ Stroud. I still think it's CJ Stroud. Um, I'm just, I'm waiting on this S2 testing thing. I want to take it. I want to see myself, what it's all about, because it just flies in the face of everything we've seen on film from CJ Stroud. It just does. So when two things don't add up, you question it. So I like him. And I think a team's going to be able to essentially kind of steal him a little bit further back if your option won't be as much. Those types of things are meaningful. I think he probably maybe lands. I hope he lands in Indy because I think that gives them a real opportunity. So we'll see ultimately what plays out. But I thought I was C.J. and Bryce Young were certainly the top two quarterbacks this year.

What do you think the biggest difference is now I know, uh, you know, you're removed from the the game of football for a long time now. But like, what do you think the differences are, you know, with the draft nowadays compared to when you played? But you guys never had I had no testing, nothing like that, right?

Yeah, we did.

We had plenty of that stuff.

There's just this new test it's something that's new that I don't know if there's enough data to really, you know, stand behind a decision to say, we're not going to take them one overall because of this test score, you know, anytime you add new kind of data oriented things to the analysis. I mean you have to start walking away from some of the tried and true things when you evaluate players. Not much has changed in 25 years in terms of there's still just absolute buyers out there in every aspect of things. Don't ever believe anything from when you mean by that, when the Super Bowl ends to now, don't believe a thing you hear from agents from teams from the media. It none of it. None of it's true. Everybody's trying to leverage somebody else, get a higher pick, get a different guy, get somebody else to move somewhere else. Uh, it night of the draft, all you'll hear is positive things from the teams when they draft the player. And you never know how it's going to play out. So I don't think much has changed. I think the media scrutiny has gotten more advanced because of all the content that's out there, period. period so there's more to talk about. But I think people are still pretty intrinsically locked into whatever anybody says. It's spinning out of control with it. Oh, yeah. I guess it's all smoke screens. And it's kind of similar. And I believe it because I'm pretty friendly with the Steelers quarterback, Kenny Pickett. And when we talked all the time, he'd be like, dude, I didn't even think the Steelers were that interested in me. Like, you know, and it was all Tomlin GM smoke screens, like they weren't even thinking about Kenny Pickett, but that was their plan all along, which is a good idea, I guess. It is. I mean, when you wanna get the quarterback, when you're picking 19th or whatever it was,

to not allow for a team ahead of them to maybe know that, and then, if you were behind the Steelers to jump up there to get them or something like that. So yeah, I mean, you wanna keep everything you can as close to your vest, and that war room is literally your war room. And what you put together is what you put together for your team and doesn't benefit you to have

anybody else know your business when you're trying to conduct it and make the best possible team there is and win a championship. Exactly. And if you go back, you know, I think you said earlier, 25 years ago, what was draft night like for you? Well, first off, it was a night at the time, right? It was only two days. It was Saturday and Sunday. And I think it kicked off like, I think it kicked off like a 1 p.m. Eastern. And so, you know, we got up. I pretty much knew I was going second over all to the charger. So there really wasn't too much to think about. I got a good night's sleep, had breakfast with my family. You know, I talk about this all the time. What these guys are going to get to experience tomorrow is life changing.

It's something they've been working for their entire life. And for most of us, we never actually thought it was a reality. Ever. I never thought that was something grown up in Montana that I could actually be drafted in the NFL draft in particular as the number two overall pick. It just, it didn't exist. So regardless of how my career ultimately played out in the unmet expectations and all the things that went with it, this day was, this day may go down as, you know, one of the best days of my life. It really was to celebrate with my family, it was sacrificed so much to achieve a goal that, like I said, I just didn't, you know, no one, no one believed it was achievable for me. And because of all my hard work and all the things I, like I said, a sacrifice for and everything and my family who was all there with me, we got to experience that. And that's really, really special. And no one can ever take that away from us. Yeah, for sure. I can imagine, you know. You see these players get drafted and the tears, it's like all that hard work is finally paid off. This is life changing stuff for sure. For you, you got an interesting story, man. Drafted second overall and then didn't do anything. What do you think the toughest part in the NFL was for you? Was it the transition? Was it the teams you were on? What was it? Because I mean, you were second in the draft, highly recruited. And, you know, teams wanted you. And you get to the NFL. Like, what all kind of took place? Well, it started well. You well you know I won my first two starts a rookie quarterback hadn't done that since John L. Wade in 1983. Peyton had lost his first two thrown a bunch of picks and I was just like wow I'm winning this thing you know this is and I was sick with a turf burn and a staff infection from playing the oilers a week before I spent the entire week in the hospital for Kansas City. Begged and pleaded my coaches for me to play. It was a horrible football game. Rainstorm like crazy. Had one of the worst stat lines that any quarterback has ever had was humiliated and embarrassed. And this is why. This is why wasn't able to succeed in the NFL, because I was not a deal with failure in a positive and healthy way. And that, you know, that's very addiction oriented, right? That is very laden in our recovery world that we talk about. You are not able to deal with things

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