where the adversaries move quickly.

They know, like it's a constant race against them.

What little loophole can they manipulate

in tech, in communication, in the law, to continue to do what they do and you try to close

that loop and then they find another.

Let's go.

Welcome to Citizen. We've got a special guest today. Ryan Fugit. You've got, you got a lot of stuff going on, so why don't you introduce yourself?

Yeah, sure, thanks. So, uh, I'm Ryan Fugget.. I run the Combat Story Podcast where we interview veterans about their

combat experiences. We've been doing that for about three years. I'm a former Army vet. I flew Apaches for seven and a half years.

Spend eight years at the agency at CIA running ops and then made a transition over to tech in Silicon Valley. I worked at Google for several years running an Intel team and I'm still in tech at another big tech company today that I just don't name when I'm on air.

Fair enough.

So let's jump all the way back.

What was the, where did you grow up, what area? I grew up overseas. My dad was

career State Department. He was an Army aviator in Vietnam and then did a full

career as a political officer at state.

So I grew up in Belgium, grew up in Zimbabwe in Pakistan, moved to the U.S.

Really for the first time when I was in junior high when I was 13.

What was that like? I mean, like how long did you stay in one place I guess?

The longest I have ever lived in one place, I guess?

The longest I have ever lived in one place

is where I am today, and I've been here four years.

So when I was growing up, we would often stay someplace

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