Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop,

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran who has started to refer to yourself as a content

creator, or else a scrappy upstart, who has started to refer to yourself as an artisan,

this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks seeks most an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the second Friday of February 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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