Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So, whether

you're a grizzled veteran,

pawning off old English folk song lyrics as your own or else a scrappy upstart,

paunting off lyrics that you found in a Reddit thread as your own,

this is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks seeks most an ironclad excuse to put off

actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the third Friday of February 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

This week's show is brought to you by Ban Zougal.

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I'm old enough to remember when you had to pay somebody called a web developer

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