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You're listening to BBC Sounds. Hello from the Scrum Five Podcast team. Today's a different take on the Rugby World Cup.

I've spoken to James McConney.

Now he's a real character actually.

I think the best analogy would be the Kiwi Rick O'Sheoche. He's a co-presenter of the TV show

The crowd goes wild. It's very funny, very irreverent and he's a very good guy as well and I thought since Wales are playing

against Australia he'd give us some good insight because more than anything he

shouldn't be in either camp but yeah yeah, this is a good listen. Check it out and enjoy.

So James McConney, a kiwi preparing for the Wales Australia game. Now I grabbed you because I was hoping you may be a neutral in all this are you?

Yeah, well, you know, I actually almost feel more of an affinity with Wales these days.

Warren Gatlin was like one of my childhood heroes.

He played for the mighty

mooloo men which is the Waikato rugby team and played a hundred games for them and

he's coming home. It's you know Gatlin's coming home. He's going you know. He's good player. Oh yeah he's a great player. I'm a hooker. He never played a test match because he was behind the Great Sean Fitzpatrick and he they never subbed anyone and Fitzpatrick would never go off for

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