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Russian Sabotage Operations and NATO’s Complex Alliance

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History, Education, News

4.41.7K Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Russian drones and warplanes have been increasingly breaching the airspace of NATO countries. Admiral Joachim Rühle, (ret.) is the former Chief of Staff of the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, the headquarters of Command Operations - including defense, deterrence, and training to Ukrainians - in Belgium. He talked about Moscow’s incursions, its acts of sabotage, and how to manage this complex alliance. Prefer to watch your podcasts? Find us on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@IntlSpyMuseum/podcasts.  Subscribe to Sasha's Substack, HUMINT, to get more intelligence stories: https://sashaingber.substack.com/  And if you have feedback or want to hear about a particular topic, you can reach us by E-mail at SpyCast@Spymuseum.org.  This show is brought to you from Goat Rodeo, Airwave, and the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC.

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Russian drones and warplanes have been increasingly breaching the airspace of NATO countries.

1:45.8

So I sat down with Admiral Joachim Rula, the former chief of staff of the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe.

1:54.1

That's the headquarters of command operations, including defense, deterrence, and training to Ukrainians in Belgium.

2:02.1

We talked about Moscow's incursions, its acts of sabotage, and how to manage NATO's complex alliance.

2:10.6

Admiral Rula, thank you for joining.

2:13.8

We have seen a number of violations by Russia of NATO skies. We have seen drones in Poland

2:22.3

in Romania. We've seen fighter jets in Estonian airspace. We've seen military aircraft in Norway.

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