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This is CBS High in the World, I'm John Batch, the Wagner Group.

Evgeny Pregosin. There is no clarity whatsoever as to what has happened to Pregosin.

There is some thinking, however, about the Wagner Group.

And its role, its vital role for the Kremlin these last years and going forward.

Outside of Ukrainian conflict, what is the Wagner Group for?

How does it aid the Russian Federation?

I welcome Caroline Rose.

She is a director at New Line's Institute, a contributor geopolitical futures,

where she has a piece now at geopolitical futures, a subscription site, about the once and future Wagner Group,

and its role in the global south.

Caroline, a very good evening to you.

The way it was shorthandedly described during the conflict in Ukraine before the Wagner Group

that tactically pulled out and ran what looked to be a mutiny light,

was that it was a paramilitary organization under the former chef of Vladimir Putin's

Evgeny Pregosin.

But I learned from you that it was much more than a paramilitary organization.

It was a diamond and gold mine-minder.

It was a money laundering, even human trafficking.

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