This is CBS I on the World with John Bachelor.

This is CBS I on the World with John Bachelor.

This is CBS I in the world.

I'm John Bachelor.

The war in Ukraine, Secretary of State, Mr. Blinking,

the Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom, Mr. Lamme,

visiting Kief to speak with Mr. Zelensky and his cabinet about Ukraine's

war aims because we're in a period of time where there is action on the ground but it doesn't look to the future.

What looks to the future are weapons systems and battles to come.

I welcome Avonastradner of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy who's written a new piece in the

Sun about how Vladimir Putin works and how some elements of NATO are misunderstanding the Kremlin and its threats and

its posturing and its promises that we will get you.

Avana, a very good evening to you.

Mr. Putin is not a military man.

He's state security.

He was trained in deception and evasion and subterfuge. How does that

inform the threats that he's made since the beginning of this war? Nuclear threats,

invasions of NATO, war with NATO, war with the US, and now if you use such

and such a weapon system, I will get you.

How should we hear that?

Good evening to you. Good evening. Thank you very much for inviting me to speak with you today. Indeed, Putin is a KGB guy. He's not a military man. And that tells you all you need to know how Putin actually understands his war in Ukraine because for him he does not really also need to roll tanks and jets in the West.

All he really needs to do is psychologically manipulate his opponents.

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