Cortland here. In this crossover episode, I sat down with Chris and Ethan from the Run With It podcast

and shared three different business ideas I have for Indie Hackers in 2021. If you enjoy the episode,

do me a favor and subscribe to the Run With It podcast. Just search for Run With It and your podcast player.

Enjoy the episode.

Thank you. search for a run with it and your podcast player. Enjoy the episode. I think. Ethan, how you doing, man? Doing good. I got a tie on today. Just felt like they've been sitting in my closet for probably two years without being used,

except for maybe, uh, the listener can't see you, but you look like an accountant today.

I thought I looked like a blues brother.

Blues brother's good too. I believe that. We've got Corlin Allen on the episode today. He's

listening to us, make fun of each other. Corlund is the founder of IndieHackers.com, a resource for independent creators of all sorts

of applications and different products.

Corland, I'm excited to have you on here.

Yeah, I'm excited to be here.

I've got some half-baked ideas to dissect with you guys.

We love half-baked. Love it. All right. So let's talk about this first idea here that you've got, that you brought up a podcast operating system. So we give a little preface for the listener. We're probably going to, we're going to drill through like three business ideas in this episode, something we don't typically do. So be prepared. Are we giving

a preview of the other two? Are we just going to make them wait and see? I think they can wait.

Yeah, why don't we just jump in? Why don't we just jump in? Yeah. So this first idea, I just wrote down

podcast OS. So backstory, as you two know, tons of people starting podcasts. I think there's something

like almost a million podcasts that are actively being published to right now. I've no idea how

many are like dead. And people were talking, you know, even just a year or two ago, like, is this

a fad? Is this going to pass? I don't think it is. I think it's here to stay. I think it's like one of the big legs of media. I think people have smartphones. We're all used to our phones. We're walking around. We want some sort of entertainment or something to do when our hands aren't free or when we're driving and we can't really use our eyes to look at a screen. And I think the big three things are podcasting, audiobooks, and just music. And right now, podcasting seems like it's bigger than audiobooks. Like, I think podcasting just crossed like a billion dollars in total ad sales this year. So it's big. And a lot of people are starting podcasts. People don't really know what to do. People don't know how to start podcasts. They don't know how to consistently run their shows. They don't know what format to do. They don't know how to book guests. They don't know how to do a bunch of different things. And so I would bet a fair chunk of like these million podcasts that are active right now, just like rarely publish episodes, don't get any downloads. And they're just struggling. And they're probably going to be dead by this time next year, only to be replaced by new podcasts.

It's interesting what you were saying about it being here to stay.

I totally agree with you.

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