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You know, culturally, there are so many lies concerning pornography.

You hear it's not a big deal.

Everybody does it.

You know what?

You deserve to be able to indulge that appetite.

But we have what God says about intimacy standing right in front of us,

and we have to take that into account.

I'm John Fuller, joined by Dr. Greg Smalley and his wife, Aaron. They lead the focus on the

family marriage team, and Aaron, I'm sure in the counseling office, you have couples who this is an

issue for. They're really struggling with it, and perhaps one spouse is really just fit to be tied. I don't want that in my home. But the offending spouse isn't ready to let go of it.

Most times by the time they're in the counseling office, they're recognizing, especially the one engaging with pornography, recognizing it's not working. It's not working for them

individually because it impacts our brains. And it has negative outcomes for the individual as well as

the relationship. And so it really is going, you know, this isn't working. It's not leading me to

what I want. I may be even struggling with

how to engage with my spouse because emotionally I've learned how to cope by engaging with

pornography instead of growing as an individual. The spouse that's on the other side is gone, I feel

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