Welcome to Off Message. I'm Isaac Dover.

The difficulty, I think, that a lot of the never-Trump Republicans have is this accusation

that somehow they're not sincere in their beliefs or that they've become liberals or they've

become left-winger. I think the problem is now that there is no place for these people.

So at this point, I'm in a wait and see mode. I think the Republicans have permanently eliminated themselves from credibility

to govern from... Permanently. Yeah, in a lot of ways, yes. I think you can't be willing to

sacrifice core American values for the sake of a tax cut and be deemed to be

worthy of trust going forward.

Today's guest, Washington Post right-turned blogger, Jennifer Rubin.

When I was covering the Obama White House, Rubin was all over them all the time, particularly

on foreign policy, and hear them griping about her constantly.

It's been a big couple of years. Now Rubin is one of the most reliable critics of the Trump

White House and of Donald Trump and of the Republican Party. But she says she's still a conservative,

that it's the party who left her. She even started by writing a breakup note to the Republican

Party during the 2016 election.

They haven't reconciled since, and sounds like that's not happening anytime soon based on our conversation. She's hoping for a new party, or for the Democrats to become more like her.

They both seem pretty unlikely. It's been a very weird experience for her and one that I wanted

to get into. Her thoughts on what the Republican

party is at this point, what the future of Republican politics is, what the future of conservative

politics is. We also had a very interesting discussion about how millennial politics is being

shaped by what's going on. So we got into all of that, Plus, how a labor lawyer who went to Berkeley turned

into a conservative columnist for the Washington Post. Remember to subscribe and rate us on Apple

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