All right, Dr. Baumaster, welcome to the show. Did I say that right?

No, that was fine. Okay, good. I like that I just asked you, and then I went to say it and was like, I feel like I've forgotten already. That's unprofessional of me.

Welcome to the show. How are you doing today? All right. It's busy moving and unpacking, but I'm getting settled. It's good, good, good. Well, there's a bunch of different topics that I thought we could dive into. But where I want to start is you had a quote in your book, is there anything good about men? And you said, society puts pressure on men to prove

their value, whereas women's value is more often assumed. What did you mean by that? Well,

man has to prove himself. A girl grows up and she becomes a woman automatically, but a boy grows up

but he isn't really a man until he establishes it. And many cultures have different ways

that the men are supposed to prove themselves. There's some other research that was done

following my book that being in manhood is, you have to continue earning it. You might not

feel like a man anymore, whereas a woman is always a woman. It's been a source of, I think,

underappreciated conflict even in the workplace, because for a long time, respect was something

in the male world that had to be earned, but the boys were brought up to respect the girls and

women automatically. And so the women were used to just being entitled to

respect. So when the women moved into the men's sphere and started working in the companies and

so on that the men made, the men treated them the same way they treated each other, which was

disrespectful, you know, put downs and so on. And the women were kind of shocked and alarmed by this.

And the judges, you know, sometimes saw it as sexism and bias and so on, because they'd pick

out something about being a woman. But I think they were missing the context that the men

put each other down for a long time. And if you look at it from the point of view of the social

system of the company or society or whatever, it worked.

Men felt they had to earn respect, and there was never quite enough to go around.

It motivated the young men to approve themselves and achieve a lot, because eventually you do reach a place, perhaps, where you are respected, but you have to earn it, whereas the women were shocked by

this, and they've introduced more the new norms, whereas everybody's entitled to respect,

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