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Rooting Out “It Was Right for Its Time” : Paul Reeve and Ramesus Stewart-Johnson

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🗓️ 7 December 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Today, in light of the upcoming Come Follow Me lesson which covers Official Declaration 2, we’re honored to share a conversation with W. Paul Reeve and Ramesus Stewart-Johnson about race, the priesthood and temple restriction, and what it really means to root out racism in our church community today. Since lifting the priesthood and temple ban in 1978, we have witnessed a great flourishing of the church, as multitudes have embraced the restored gospel in Africa and elsewhere. We can pause to ...

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Hey everybody, this is Aubrey Chavez from Faith Matters. Today, in light of the upcoming Come Follow Me lesson, which covers Declaration 2, we're honored to share a conversation with Paul Reeve and Ramza Stewart Johnson about race and the priesthood and temple restriction for Black Latter-day Saints. Since the lifting of the priesthood and temple ban in 1978,

0:55.0

we've witnessed a great flourishing of the church,

0:57.0

as multitudes have embraced the restored gospel in Africa and elsewhere.

1:00.9

So we can pause to celebrate this transformation occurring in the body of Christ,

1:04.3

while contemplating how we can continue to follow this prophetic challenge

1:07.5

to root out racism in our church, in our society, and in our hearts today.

1:12.1

Part of this work is recognizing that myths and misinformation about our own history on race

1:16.5

persist to this day, remnants of racism. This conversation felt bold and at times challenging,

1:22.8

but both Paul and Ramses share their personal stories, insights, and convictions to help us

1:27.0

face our past and

1:28.0

future with clarity and spiritual courage. Paul walks us through the history, how the restriction

1:32.7

began and how it was solidified, and how newly available primary sources push back against this idea

1:38.0

expressed in our Come Follow Me manual that we just don't know why the priesthood and temple restrictions

1:42.4

were put into place. Paul argues that until we come face to face with our history, we won't learn what we should from it.

1:49.5

Ramses helps us grapple with the lasting spiritual and emotional impact this history has had on many Black Latter-day Saints

1:55.2

and how genuine discipleship rooted in grace, honesty, and reconciliation may be the key to moving forward.

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