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Ronen Bergman on the A.I.-Assisted, Remote-Control Killing Machine

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🗓️ 29 September 2021

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Ronan Bergman is a reporter for the New York Times and the author of the book, “Rise and Kill First,” a history of Israeli targeted killings. Most recently with Farnaz Fassihi, he is the author of a lengthy New York Times investigative report entitled, “The Scientist and the A.I.-Assisted, Remote-Control Killing Machine,” which is the story of the use of a ground-based robotic machine gun to kill an Iranian nuclear scientist. He joined Benjamin Wittes from Tel-Aviv to talk about the assassination of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, the operation and the machine through which it was conducted, the larger policy of Israeli assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists, and the legal bases on which these are done. 

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no bull and the aftermath.

0:34.2

The signal when it leaves the zamiyaat, the vehicle, the pick up, it goes to the satellite

0:42.6

and down to the war room, this takes 0.8 seconds.

0:49.5

And of course, the sniper, even the most killed one, will take some time to digest what

0:58.6

he sees on the monitor and reach a conclusion and order the joystick what to do next.

1:08.8

I'm Benjamin Whittes and this is the LawFair podcast September 29th, 2021.

1:16.3

Ronan Bergman is a reporter for the New York Times.

1:20.5

He is the author of the book Rise and Kill First, which is a history of Israeli targeted

1:28.3

killings.

1:29.5

And most recently with Farnas Fasihi, he is the author of a lengthy New York Times

1:36.5

investigative report entitled The Scientist and the AI Assisted Remote Control Killing

1:43.4

Machine, which is the story of the use of a ground-based robotic machine gun to kill

1:51.5

an Iranian nuclear scientist.

1:55.0

He joined me from Tel Aviv in the virtual jungle studio to talk about the assassination

2:02.3

of Mosin Fafrizada, the operation and the machine through which it was conducted, the

2:10.2

larger policy of Israeli assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists and the legal bases

2:18.3

on which these are done.

2:20.5

It's a heck of a story, it's a heck of an issue and it's a new frontier in targeted

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