Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz: The Dangers Posed by Sam Altman
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🗓️ 7 April 2026
⏱️ 70 minutes
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Summary
AI poses real existential threats. The global economy is dependent on it, it's being deployed in war zones and used for domestic surveillance, and it's increasingly integrated into our medical and financial sectors. But the guy sitting atop the world's biggest AI company, Sam Altman, is regarded by some colleagues as a liar, driven by a quest for power, and someone with sociopathic tendencies. When Biden was in the White House, Altman was worried about the limited regulation of AI; under Trump, he's loving that the shackles have come off. Plus, Tim on how the Dems need to get the politics of the Iran war right: Welcome converts into the fold, and prioritize American interests.
Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz join Tim Miller to discuss their New Yorker piece on OpenAI’s Sam Altman.
show notes
- TNL is LIVE tonight at 7:45 ET on Substack and YouTube
- Ronan's and Andrew's story in The New Yorker
- Tim's interview with Karen Hao on the unchecked rise of Altman
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Borg podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. On today's show, we are going to take a little swerve into AI politics with the authors of a New Yorker profile on OpenAIs, Sam Altman. |
| 0:23.6 | But first, a programming note and a little bit of what's on my mind. |
| 0:28.6 | It's across to the Iran War. |
| 0:30.0 | Tonight, the next level podcast will be live on Substack and YouTube at 745 p.m. Eastern to cover the latest war crime redline from the madman that the American |
| 0:39.1 | people elected president again. So make sure to tune in from that. Here's the latest. It was a bleat |
| 0:44.1 | from his social media account this morning, Tuesday morning. A whole civilization will die tonight, |
| 0:49.5 | never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that |
| 0:56.3 | we have complete and total regime change, where a different, smarter, and less radicalized minds |
| 1:00.9 | prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight |
| 1:06.7 | one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world, 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death will finally end. |
| 1:13.6 | God bless the great people of Iran, you know, treating death of a civilization as some like apprentice reality show thing where there's a cliffhanger. |
| 1:28.1 | Can't wait to see what happens on next week's episode. |
| 1:31.3 | It's truly sick. |
| 1:32.7 | It's truly deranged. |
| 1:33.8 | It's obviously deranged. |
| 1:34.9 | And even people who otherwise supported Trump can see that. |
| 1:38.4 | We know this morning that Iran recognizes it as completely deranged. and they recognize that they have a counterparty |
| 1:46.5 | that's not rational or worth dealing with. They announced that they're cutting off all |
| 1:52.6 | negotiations following the threat. So pretty ominous stuff ahead. And we don't exactly know |
| 1:59.7 | what will happen tonight, but what we do know is that the |
| 2:02.7 | consequences of his chaos and lunacy are going to impact people's lives, not just in Iran, |
| 2:09.3 | but here at home and around the world. We saw last night a Saudi petrochemical plant get hit |
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