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The Bulwark Podcast

Bill Kristol: POTUS, the Macho Madman

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, Society & Culture, News, News Commentary

4.611.6K Ratings

🗓️ 6 April 2026

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

In threatening to bomb Iran to smithereens, Trump seems to be motivated by a combination of frustration, vengeance, and wanting to look like a tough guy. But he also has a God complex. Destroying the country's bridges and its entire energy infrastructure has nothing to do with nukes—and everything to do with war crimes. Plus, the soldiers and airmen who carried out the daring rescue mission over the weekend hail from the "woke and weak" era of the U.S. military, Trump should be impeached, his family has ties with military contracts involved in the war effort, and there are rumors of at least one SCOTUS retirement this year.

Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. It is Monday. And so I am back with our editor-at-large Bill Crystal beaming in from an undisclosed beach

0:23.4

adjacent location. How you doing, Bill? I'm doing fine. Nice to be with some of our family,

0:28.4

younger parts of our family and having a pleasant Easter extended Easter weekend.

0:34.4

And you're welcome for giving you a little break from the younger parts of the family. We're going to start here over the weekend. And you're welcome for giving you a little break from the younger parts of the family.

0:38.5

We're going to start here over the weekend. Our president gave a time, an exact time. We're going to call

0:45.9

war crime o'clock for when he plans to go after Iran's power plants and bridges. That'd be tomorrow night, Tuesday, at 8 p.m. in the

0:57.1

east. He was kind enough to offer the time zones. People know when the war crimes will begin.

1:02.9

This is what he posted on truth social. Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day, all wrapped up in one in Iran.

1:09.4

There'll be nothing like it. Open the fucking straight,

1:12.8

you crazy bastards. Or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah. President Donald Trump.

1:20.6

And then he followed up by saying eight o'clock Eastern will be the time. A lot there, Bill. Where do you

1:26.2

want to start? You know, what's amazing about it is it's not out of the question.

1:31.3

It's not necessarily a war crime to bomb a bridge or to bomb a power plant if they're key to the prosecution of the war by the enemy that you're fighting.

1:39.5

Now, leave aside the fact that this is an unauthorized war, and Congress never voted for us to be, to go out to attack Iran, and then to continue to be fighting five weeks, five weeks, six weeks, I lost track later in the six week, right, and not possibly deploying ground troops, leaving all that aside, you know, if he hadn't done that and if he just attacked individual plants, he could say, well, this was key to some energy for missiles that might be hitting our planes.

2:17.4

So it would still be arguable, I would say, as I understand it, from an international law point of view and a U.S. law point of view. But it would be, you know, plausible. The way he did it, of course, which is I'm just going to destroy the whole. I mean, not just in the tweet in the post,

2:19.3

but also in what he said to reporters.

2:51.6

I like his new mode of communications, incidentally. You were once in the communications business. I mean, what's that all about? You call up random reporters. Like, you do your crazy truth social post, and then you call off three different reporters to sort of just chat with them each for three minutes. It's kind of an interesting strategy, I guess. Yeah, repeat the truth social post, make sure people know that it was a real person that sent it. It wasn't the golf caddy. I guess so. It was the actual president. And then say, but I'm going to destroy the whole country, virtually the whole country. I had to put it. I can't remember with something like that. It's really terrible. And I think it rattled people. I don't know. I keep thinking things will rattle people.

3:08.7

And, of course, it does rattle some people. That's why his numbers are going down. On the other hand, it doesn't rattle a lot of people. That's why some of his numbers are sticky. But I'd say just studying for friends, some of whom were kind of more open to the merits of this war than I am, and were militantly pro-Israel these days and also just because, I don't know,

3:10.7

they feel, wish to see the Iranian regime fall and think maybe all this could lead to its tottering, even if it's not an explicit word. Maybe a little less clear-eyed assessment of our current president, maybe. Well, and that's right, a little wishful thinking, well, the military's doing it, Tim,

3:24.5

and the military's wonderful.

3:25.7

It's not really Hexath at all.

3:27.7

Anyway, for all these reasons,

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