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Right now what we're trying to do is get to the ceasefire.

We have a team in Doha right now as we're speaking.

I spoke to them twice today before this podcast, and we'll have another conversation tonight,

and I hope that we can move this

thing forward and get into temporary ceasefire that hopefully can lead to a permanent ceasefire

if we can achieve the minimal conditions we need to end the war, which is that Hamas cannot

continue to be in power. It's 8 p.m. on Sunday, July 13th here in Jerusalem, as Israelis get ready to wind down their day.

It's 1 p.m. on Sunday, July 13th in New York City.

Just a few days ago, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his delegation to include

Minister of Strategic Affairs, Ron D.mer, just wrapped up their meetings in Washington, D.C.,

where they met with President Trump and other senior officials in the Trump administration following the extraordinary and historic success of the Israeli and U.S. military

operations against Iran.

Now there are questions about whether or not there will be announcements about possible

normalization of Arab states going forward beyond just those in the Abraham Accords

and whether or not there's any progress on a hostage ceasefire deal,

all against the backdrop of continued Israeli warfighting in Gaza and tragically continued casualties.

So with those questions, on to today's conversation.

If there's anyone who has been up close and seen events developed firsthand and actually

been shaping many of these events himself, it is Israel's Minister of Strategic Affairs,

Ron Dermer, who joins me today in Jerusalem, returns to the podcast.

I think this is his third or fourth time on Call Me Back. Ron, thanks for being here.

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