Romans 9: Are Calvinists Consistent?

Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers

Leighton Flowers

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🗓️ 11 February 2019

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, provides a cordial critique of John Piper who attempts to explain how Roman 9 teaches unconditional individual election unto salvation while still maintaining a conditional individual election unto damnation.

Read Dr. Eric Hankin's article on Reprobation in Romans 9 for more on this topic from a Provisionist perspective: https://soteriology101.com/2018/04/09/romans-9-and-the-calvinist-doctrine-of-reprobation/

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome back to Sociology 101.
0:10.7	Today we're going to be listening to a podcast put out by Pastor John Piper, where he's asked a question about the consistency of the Calvinistic interpretation of Romans chapter 9.
0:21.6	It's just really interesting to listen in from my vantage point now as a former Calvinist,
0:26.6	hearing how a Calvinist answers some of these difficult questions with regard to Jacob and
0:32.3	Esau. The Jacob was loved, Esau was hated, how does that work out?
0:40.1	What is this concept of election and reprobation?
0:46.6	Is this consistent if God is choosing these two twins before they're even born and done anything good or bad?
0:51.3	It seems to me that God is unconditionally not only electing some people to salvation,
0:54.6	but he's also unconditionally electing some people to reprobation.
1:02.2	And John Piper's going to answer that question from the Calvinistic perspective, and we're going to cordially, in love, as we always try to do in a model here, we're going to just push back on that and simply ask some questions and help you to consider the other vantage point or another interpretation that maybe you haven't considered
1:10.9	before. If you're, if you come into Calvinism and you've only learned from Calvinist,
1:15.3	then it sounds like Romans 9 is teaching Calvinism. But if you hear it from another vantage point
1:19.6	and you listen to some other scholars from another worldview, I think your lenses can be
1:24.1	adjusted, so to speak, to where you can see both perspectives. But before we dive into this
1:29.4	contentious and often confusing issue, let's look at a couple of things that I want you to be
1:35.4	aware of. If you haven't gone to Sociology 101.com yet, go do that. You'll notice the search
1:41.7	feature there. If you have questions or you're looking for answers about a particular text, go there first or go to our Facebook page or our Facebook
1:48.4	group and engage, hopefully, cordially in those discussions with others. And you can find
1:54.4	answers from the more provisionist or the traditionalist perspective that we hold to as in contrast
1:59.2	to what Calvinists are very popularly
2:01.4	teaching right now all over the worldwide web. And you can notice there that there are some
2:06.4	resources for you. We have an about page. It has our beliefs, resources, a contact for me and my staff
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