Roman History: The Rivalry Between Cicero and Clodius GUEST NAME: Professor Josiah Osgood Professor Josiah Osgood discusses the end of the Roman Republic. The scandal involving Publius Clodius Pulcher disguising himself as a woman at the women-only Bona
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Roman History: The Rivalry Between Cicero and Clodius
Professor Josiah Osgood discusses the end of the Roman Republic. The scandal involving Publius Clodius Pulcher disguising himself as a woman at the women-only Bona Dea ceremony led to his trial. Cicero testified against Clodius, leading to a dangerous rivalry. Acquitted, Clodius won election as tribune, passed a law targeting Cicero for executing citizens without trial, and destroyed his Palatine Hill mansion. Later, Cicero was present during Julius Caesar's assassination, though not involved in planning.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batchel of Professor Josiah Osgood, and we're watching Cicero go back and forth between his |
| 0:12.6 | loyalties, his ambition and his luck. He's now in his 60th year, 63rd year, I believe, 62nd, 63rd year. |
| 0:23.6 | And he's worn out his welcome anywhere in Rome, so he's trying to find a side in the civil war underway after Caesar's death. |
| 0:34.4 | Mark Antony is the righteous avenger of the death of Caesar. Brutus and his conspirators believe |
| 0:42.5 | they are the republic. They're going to save the republic by defeating Mark Anthony, who is a bully |
| 0:49.9 | and untrustworthy, which, by the way, is not inaccurate. |
| 0:57.7 | However, Cicero chooses badly. |
| 1:01.1 | How does he make up his mind on this, Josiah? |
| 1:08.1 | Yeah, so Cicero has good political antennae, actually, I'd like to say, except when his own sort of personal reputation is on the line. |
| 1:13.5 | Maybe this is a common problem among all of us. |
| 1:17.2 | And then we get blinded a little bit. |
| 1:20.2 | So he wants to actually stay out of kind of politics after the assassination of Caesar, maybe encourage Brutus a little |
| 1:30.6 | bit, Cassius. But he's planning to leave Italy for a while. Actually, he even considers going |
| 1:39.1 | to the Olympic Games as a tourist, right? This is a sign of where Cicero's mind was. But then something changes, |
| 1:48.0 | and it's a bit mysterious, but he's on the ship. He's actually back in Sicily visiting his old |
| 1:54.5 | friends. And we're told by him, a storm blows him back to Italy. And he hears some encouraging news about Brutus, and he decides, this is my moment. |
| 2:07.6 | I've got to go back and fight for the Republic that I've defended my whole life. |
| 2:14.7 | And he goes back to Rome and starts, you know, basically trashing Antony |
| 2:21.6 | in speeches. Those are the Philippics, right? The famous Philip's right. That's right. And, |
| 2:28.2 | and they survive these speeches. There's one of them that Sister never even gave, but he wrote it up as if he gave it. |
| 2:37.0 | It's sort of a pamphlet. |
| 2:38.0 | It's incredibly vicious but also funny. |
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