Rolling Anxiety and Panic (Episode 148)
Disordered: Anxiety Help
Josh Fletcher and Drew Linsalata
4.9 • 663 Ratings
🗓️ 13 March 2026
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
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This episode of Disordered addresses the experience of constant, simmering anxiety that fluctuates in intensity throughout the day without fully disappearing. We refer to this as undulating panic or a loop of peaking anxiety.
The Nature of Rolling Anxiety: Many people that they are different because they don't have anxiety that appears, then disappears. It rolls and undulates throughout the day. This is the rule, not the exception. We explain how an internal fixation on bodily sensations and thoughts creates a cycle where anxiety rises and falls continually.
The Monitoring Trap: Using scales like Subjective Units of Distress (SUDs) can become a compulsion. When you constantly scan your body to check if you are a "four" or a "nine," you maintain the rolling, undulating sensitized state you are trying to escape.
The Sand Timer Analogy: Physiological and mental arousal (yes, even a full panic attack) has a beginning, middle, and end. Once the "sand timer" of an adrenaline spike is flipped, it must run its course. Attempting to "shake the timer" through frantic coping mechanisms only slows down the natural process of settling.
Recovery Through Action: We share listener stories of "doing it anyway" despite monophobia and physical pain. These examples illustrate how recovery involves moving forward while discomfort is present rather than waiting for it to stop.
Recovery is grounded in the principle of psychological flexibility. The goal is to learn to be with difficult internal experiences like fear and physical sensations rather than trying to control or prevent them. By treating these fluctuations as a background noise rather than a defining event, you teach your brain that the state is not a signal of danger.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey guys, my name is Rob. |
| 0:03.3 | I can use my name, obviously. |
| 0:05.1 | I just wanted to share, I did it anyway. |
| 0:09.1 | Over these past two weeks, I've taken my sons to two, like, major events. |
| 0:14.8 | One was to see Harry Potter with like a orchestra. |
| 0:17.5 | And then this past week, I was able to take my son to a Detroit Pistons game which is |
| 0:24.8 | huge for me a year ago I wouldn't have been able to do either those things or if I did that |
| 0:30.6 | would have been in terror I didn't mean that I didn't tell I had panic but I did anyway my question |
| 0:37.1 | quickly is, Drew and |
| 0:39.3 | the anxious truth side of things in your podcast when you're recovering, um, recovering |
| 0:45.1 | the foundations of panic used the term undulating panic. And I hadn't heard that word or that |
| 0:52.1 | turn before. And I looked it up and it seemed to kind of describe more of what I experienced than panic attacks, |
| 1:02.4 | which seemed very kind of like intense experiences. |
| 1:06.9 | Or like I feel like I'm on this constant simmer of panic |
| 1:11.5 | and it goes up, it goes down, but it's just always there. |
| 1:15.3 | I was just wondering if you get expounded on undulating panic. |
| 1:18.6 | I hadn't heard you use that term before, |
| 1:20.4 | and thank you for all you guys do, appreciate it. |
| 1:24.8 | It's one day at a time, and thanks to the community for all the support, we're getting there, |
| 1:31.3 | guys. All right. Take care. Welcome to Disordered. This is episode 148 entitled Undulating Panic. And thank you to the question, sender in her for such a good topic choice for today. My name is Joshua Fletcher, also known as Anxiety Josh. I'm a psychotherapist based in the UK who specializes in anxiety and anxiety disorders and having experienced lots of undulating |
| 2:03.1 | panic myself and I'm joined by I'm laughing at Josh's undulating panic oh we're going to have a ton |
| 2:12.4 | of notification sorry guys it is what it is um yeah I am Drewinsalada. I'm the other half of disordered. |
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