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“Rogue AI” Used to be a Science Fiction Trope. Not Anymore.

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🗓️ 14 August 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Sci-fi warned us about rogue AI systems that deceive, cheat, even coerce humans when threatened with shutdown or replacement. Yet we’re building AI today that does all of these things and we don't know how to stop it. This episode discusses evidence of this trend and possible solutions.

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0:00.0

Hi everyone, this is Sasha Fegan. I'm the executive producer of your undivated attention,

0:04.8

and I'm stepping out from behind the curtain with a very special request for you. We are putting

0:11.1

together our annual Ask Us Anything episode, and we want to hear from you. What are your questions

0:17.2

about how AI is impacting your lives? What are your hopes and fears? I know as a

0:22.6

mum, I have so many questions about how AI has already started to impact my kids' education

0:28.3

and their future careers, as well as my own future career, and just what the whole thing means

0:33.3

for our politics, our society, our sense of collective meaning. So please take a short, like no more than 60 seconds, please,

0:40.5

a short video of yourself with your questions

0:42.8

and send it into us at undivided athumaneTech.com.

0:46.6

So again, that is undivided at humanetech.com.

0:50.8

And thank you so much for giving us your undivided attention.

1:02.4

Hey everyone, it's Tristan Harris and welcome to your undivided attention.

1:09.5

Now, everyone knows the science fiction tropes of AI systems that might go rogue or disobey orders, or even try to escape their digital environment.

1:12.9

Whether it's 2001 a space odyssey, ex machina, Skynet from Terminator, I-Robot, Westworld,

1:19.2

or The Matrix, or even the classic story of the sorcerer's apprentice,

1:23.5

these are all stories of artificial intelligence systems that escape human control.

1:29.3

Now, these are supposed to be, you know, warning signs and morality tales,

1:33.3

not things that we would ever actually create in real life, given how obviously dangerous that is.

1:38.3

And yet we find ourselves at this moment right now, building AI systems that are unfortunately doing these exact behaviors.

1:46.0

And in recent months, there's been growing evidence that in certain scenarios, every frontier AI system will deceive, cheat, or coerce their human operators.

1:59.0

And they do this when they're worried about being either shut down,

2:02.6

having their training modified, or being replaced with a new model.

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