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🗓️ 31 July 2025
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0:47.0 | The real reason this is catastrophic is if we imagine where we're going to be in five years. |
0:52.0 | Because if we're in five years, the world that seems obvious we're going to be living within,. Because if we're in five years, the world, you know, that seems |
0:55.2 | obvious we're going to be living within when these AIs are among us all the time, doing everything with us. I mean, when you talk about how it's going to play in elections, how it's going to play in the market, how it's going to play everywhere, if you say that you can't regulate any of this stuff, we're toast. We're just toast, right? And so if that |
1:11.3 | can't be, then let's read back and figure out what should we be saying now to make it clear. |
1:16.3 | That's not what the First Amendment has to read. |
1:20.8 | Now, I want you to go back in time and imagine when social media was just getting started in 2010, |
1:26.2 | that we passed a law so that instead of how it went, which is that social media was just getting started in 2010, that we passed a law so that instead of |
1:29.5 | how it went, which is that social media platforms weren't responsible for anything that |
1:33.1 | happened on their platforms, we had just changed that one law. And platforms were responsible |
1:39.2 | for shortening of attention spans, mass addiction, anxiety, depression, polarization. And imagine that that law changed |
1:48.1 | their design decisions over the last 15 years to remove an account for those harms. |
1:55.4 | Law and the courts often have a key role to play in how a technology unfolds in our society. Now imagine one world |
2:02.6 | where AIs have protected speech, they have property rights, they can outmaneuver all humans, |
2:10.4 | and yet we can't reach behind the veil because just like with social media, they're under |
2:14.9 | some kind of liability shield. That would be a catastrophe. |
2:18.8 | And yet here we are at that very same choice point with AI, |
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