Hey I'm Brian Hyatt and this is Rolling Stone Music Now.

Today we have a very different kind of interview with Roger Waters who's currently on his

This Is Not a Drill Arena Tour.

The interview was conducted for Rolling Stone by James Ball.

James is a UK investigative journalist and global editor of the Bureau of

Investigative Journalism. He's also the co-host of a podcast called The New Conspiracist.

This is not an interview we wanted to present without context.

So James and I are going to talk a little bit about what you're going to hear.

It's certainly an interview with a very famous musician, but it is not almost at all an interview about music.

It's an interview about politics.

And it's, I think, fair to say, going to be a controversial interview.

Rogers politics are in some cases I think it's fair to describe them

as fringe.

Sometimes he refuses to acknowledge what I would think the majority of experts agree to be facts on

certain subjects and so it was a contentious interview was it not?

It was certainly sparky yes Yes. I think it's odd. I think he genuinely comes into things with good intentions and thinks he's championing human rights, but we very, very quickly ended up sort of clashing about what's happening in Ukraine,

what's happened in Syria, the nature of oppression, the nature of propaganda, and you know I know that people who've sort of lived in Syria or who've lived in Ukraine or who still live in Ukraine will find some of what he was saying very offensive and you know we do obviously

challenge him on this this was the point of the interview but I think it's only

fair to warn people that you know he is out there and he is

unapologetically out there as you're saying before we started there are many

points at which in theory you could have spent a lot more time debating him

challenging and refuting him but it's an interview ultimately not a debate so

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