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The Lawfare Podcast

Roger Parloff with Oath Keeper Closing Arguments

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 23 November 2022

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

For the last 29 days, Roger Parloff, Lawfare senior editor, has been sitting in on the Oath Keeper trial in Washington. The trial is now done, the jury has the case, and Roger joined Lawfare editor-in-chief Benjamin Wittes to talk about it. Which charges are likely to stick, and which ones seem weak? How did the various defendants do when they took the stand to defend themselves? And what kind of verdict do we expect when the jury eventually comes back?

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My tendency is to convict roads on seditious conspiracy.

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There's just overwhelming evidence of his plabber in that vein.

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He's calling for Civil War bloody revolution.

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And that continues even after January 6th.

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He spends another $20,000 on firearms between January 6th and January 20th when he's back in Texas.

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And at least one, and I don't know if the jurors will understand this,

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but at least one of the co-conspirators who's not indicted named Joshua James,

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goes back to Texas with him.

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And so I think the conspiracy continues with Joshua James.

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And I would convict him of that.

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I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast November 23rd, 2022.

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For the last 29 days Roger Parloff, LawFair senior editor,

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has been sitting in on the Oathkeeper trial in Washington.

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You may have seen his live tweeting. It has been among the very best coverage of the trial.

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But the trial is now done. The jury has the case and Roger joined me in the virtual jungle studio to talk about the whole case.

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Which charges are likely to stick?

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