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Tennessee and most of these red states are recently red. They're not historically red. They were democratic states 15 years ago.

So many of the people in leadership positions are southern Democrats wearing

Republican hat. This is your host Scott Bertram, and that's Roger L. Simon, famed American

novelist and screenwriter. His new book is American Refugees, the untold story of the mass migration from blue to red states.

We'll talk at length with Roger about that book a little bit later on in today's program.

First, we're joined by Dr. David Azarad. He is assistant professor at Hillsdale College's Van

Van Andal Graduate School of Government in D.C. Dr. Azarad, thanks so much for joining us.

Thank you, Scott, for having me. It's always good to talk to you.

Always good to talk to you as well. We're discussing a piece you wrote a bit ago for Chronicles

magazine. People can find it at chroniclesmagine.org. It's called Against the Black

Pill. We'll describe and explain that title in just a bit.

There's also been some happenings in the news since publication that we probably want to get to.

But you write here kind of a long wind up before getting to a thesis point.

You say things are so bad and they're probably going to get worse.

We're surrounded.

The generals are compromised and there is no cavalry coming to the rescue.

Why do you think this point in time is a particularly bad time?

So I wrote this piece.

The black pill is an expression that the kids use online a lot. It's derived from the matrix having the red pill and the blue pill. I don't even remember the matrix.

The black pill is basically the pill of despair. It's kind of an attitude that says that America's finished. It's a semi-terranical oligarchy.

There's no hope to reform it.

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