Gaby makes a final decision. Is it time to uproot her life and build a new one outside the U.S.? But wait! There's one more destination we want to explore as we wrap season 5. How expensive would it be to live... ON THE MOON? First, Gaby talks to scientist and aerospace engineer Kathleen Howell, a total badass who works with NASA, about the achievements and restrictions of living, working and colonizing the moon and in the space between the Earth and the moon. Then, she speaks with The Verge’s senior science reporter Loren Grush about space capitalism. Finally, Gaby nerds out with friend and sci-fi writer Garrick Bernard about Star Trek’s lack of currency and a future where knowledge replaces money. This is the final frontier for Bad With Money season 5. Stick around until the end of the episode for news about season 6! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy