I'm excited to be talking with Rocco Jarman, someone I've never met in person and whom

I haven't known a long time, but from our brief interactions, I know he's an incredibly

smart and poetic man, with far-reaching wisdom and a strong message to share with the

world.

I'm really looking forward to learning more about his life philosophies.

Rocco and my brother, we are live, and thank you so much, I know you got up at the crack

of dawn to do this, so thank you, my friend.

Yeah, it's about six to twenty-seven here, it's pretty normal time for me, I'm all good.

Rocco, our mutual friend who introduced us, Nick, he describes you as Rocco knows, that's

the way he stums you up, and you're such an interesting guy, but before we get to all the

interesting and unique perspectives that you have, can you tell me a little bit about your

background and how you got to where you are today, because I always find it fascinating when

you meet a very actualized man, how they got there, and what was the catalyst that started?

Yeah, I suppose nobody escapes childhood and escaped.

I think as we spoke about warfare, our relationships with our parents always leaves us with some

form of resolution to work through, so I probably had some more than most.

I got married when I was probably, I would have thought I was very mature, but I was

probably still emotionally young, did go through a divorce, some of those effects have sort of

rippled on for a while, I'm in a new relationship, we were being together for two years, we recently got

married. I'm 46 now, so I've had a life that involved moving out of home really, really early

for reasons, and sort of fending for myself and trying to get validation through relationships as a

young man, and when I eventually got married, and we had kids, and we had kids, and we immigrated

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