You know, I really thought that success and design was going to cure a lot of the problems

I had around gender or around my dad's death.

It was sort of going to fill this guard-size hole that was in me.

Design was more of a survival than a craft at that point.

Like, I don't think I ever consciously thought to myself, I'm going to be a great designer.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 17 years, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Robin Canner talks about getting sober and working on the Biden campaign.

I told my sponsor the first time I met her, she asked me what my goals and sobriety were.

I told her I was going to elect the next president in the United States.

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When we think back to the Biden Harris campaign and its visual identity, what did we see?

On websites, campaign literature, television backgrounds, and buses,

we saw deep blue backdrops, red accents, crisp, clear fonts, and carefully crafted slogans.

The imagery projected patriotism, competence, and gravitas.

Robin Canner gets a lot of the credit for this.

She was senior creative advisor for the Biden Harris campaign

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