Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter.

The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your host Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So whether you're a grizzled veteran, be moaning the lack of screen time you got in the documentary

about your 1960s band or else a scrappy upstart.

Be moaning the lack of screen time that you got in your band's recent Instagram reel.

This is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an iron clad

excuse to put off, actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the last Friday of February 2023 and I thank you for joining us.

This week's show is brought to you by Banzugal.

Built by musicians and four musicians, Banzugal is an all in one platform to build a beautiful

website for your music.

I'm old enough to remember when you had to pay somebody called a web developer to get

a website made and it would always be some guy named Dwayne who drove one of those new

Dodge Chargers with titanium rims and a stucy bumper sticker and who's always trying

to sell you sparks malt liquor before they banned it on the federal level.

An old Dwayne would charge you about a thousand bucks for a website that would be obsolete

in six months.

But it's the future now.

You guys, that's not how it works anymore.

We're allowed to have nice things now.

...