Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, winning a Grammy as one of 14

writers on a song, or else a scrappy upstart, losing your patience as the sole writer

of a song with less than a thousand Spotify plays, this is your show, because ultimately,

it is what every writer seeks most, an iron-clad excuse to put off actually writing.

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