Welcome to Nobody Told Me. I'm Jan Black. And I'm Laura Owens. With us on this episode is Robin Dreek, former head of the FBI's behavioral analysis program and a recognized expert

in the field of interpersonal communication. Robin is also the founder and president of People

Formula, an organization that offers advanced rapport building, training, and consultation. And Robin is the

author of several books, including The Code of Trust,

and American Counterintelligence Experts, Five Rules to Lead and Succeed.

Robin, thank you so much for joining us today.

Oh, thanks for having me. I'm really excited to talk to you all both.

You were the former head of the FBI counterintelligence behavioral analysis program.

What exactly did that job entail? It sounds very interesting.

You know, when you first do anything, it sounds like it's really complicated.

And that's kind of where everything originated from.

So the job really entailed, you know, working with case agents, you know,

special agents across the field in the FBI that work counterintelligence. And they come to

what we request on their cases, you know, whether they need a strategy for trying to recruit a spy

or double agent operation or interview strategies or false flags, all the hokey, spooky spy stuff, which is still

very alive and well. It can seem like it's an overwhelming, daunting things. Like, how do you do

all these different things? But when I took a step back years ago, a number of years ago,

and try to codify it, because someone asked me to write an article about it.

What I quickly realized was all I was strategizing every time we did a consultation or any time I

worked any of my own cases.

I was strategizing trust, honest, genuine trust with no manipulation, no deception,

just trust because everything in life that happens, whether it's at home or work

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