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Through all the ruptures of the past year and more, we have been given so much to learn.

And callings to live differently.

But how to do that and how to begin?

Resma Menechum's book, My Grandmother's Hands and his original insights into racialized

trauma in all kinds of bodies, has offered new ways forward for us all.

He's become one of my most important teachers, and I immediately said yes when he asked

to join me in conversation together with Robin DeAngelo.

He has been a foremost white voice in our civilizational grappling with whiteness.

Separately and together, these two clarify the important work that those of us in white

bodies need to do in ourselves and with each other in service to everyone else.

This conversation is not comfortable, but it is electric and it opens possibility.

White folks don't even know that we're not even speaking the same embodied language.

We don't see the world in the same way.

And so white people coming up and just saying, this is what I want to do or this is what

I think, you don't even realize that the language that you're speaking is wounding.

At this point, anybody listening, anybody white listening might be feeling, oh my God,

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