From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell. My guest, who was found a way to bring the Gothic to everything to the fantastic four to to Riverdale I guess

and his new show his first show as a creator is on the CW Riverdale Roberto Gierrez

because of first of all thanks for being here and I really love what you do I mean oh thank you

because there's a thing I think of as being the Gothic ethos, which is basically there are no villains.

It's just the one person wants something that he shouldn't want.

Right.

And that kind of desire has made its way through everything you've done in comics.

Yes, definitely.

I mean, it's funny.

I started writing comic books in 2003.

And back then was sort of before kind of Marvel cinematic universe exploded.

I was exclusive to Marvel for many, many years.

And back then you really could do weird niche takes on characters.

Like I was saying before he sat down, there's a great take on the Sue Richards' affair of the mind with a Black Panther. Exactly.

It's even rendered an old school Jack Kirby style. Yeah, yeah. That was back, well, that was, I mean, now Marvel doesn't even publish Fantastic Four. But back then, that was the first thing I was hired for was this very, uh, the Marvel Knights imprint, which was sort of outside of normal continuity.

Sure. I mean, Grant Morrison had that great Marvel Knights, one, two, three, four.

One of my favorite, one of my favorite books, probably the greatest, in my opinion, modern Fantastic Four, or contemporary Fantastic Four story.

But yeah, no, that was a blast. I wrote 30 issues of that.

And, you know, it was called the Fantastic Four,

but really it was about my obsession with the Invisible Woman.

So she was sort of the hero of the book.

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