Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show.

They say it takes a big man to admit he's wrong.

But I say it takes an even bigger man to admit he's never wrong.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you that bigger man, Eric Mataxis.

Hey there, folks. Welcome. It's the Eric Mataxis show Hour 2.

I'm continuing my conversation with Jenna Ellis.

She's with the Trump campaign.

She is a lawyer, a constitutional lawyer.

I met her when she was teaching constitutional law in Colorado.

And now, look at you now, Jenna.

I mean, honestly, could you dream this up that you would not only be involved with the

president of the United States, but you would be involved with a legal team that is looking

into one of the greatest potential scandals in our history?

And unfortunately, there is zero hyperbole that if this is half of what we think it is,

it is just one of the ugliest scandals imaginable to disenfranchise voters across the country.

It grieves me for my nation.

Absolutely. And, you know, Eric, if you look at the scope of what's happened since 2015 to Donald Trump through now, the scandals have only gotten worse. I mean, when I first

was speaking for the campaign and was then part of the president's legal team for the impeachment

hoax. I mean, that was such a ridiculous attempt to undermine a sitting U.S. president by

manipulating the impeachment clause for political gain and political power. I mean, that started

this year. We started in 2020 with having to fight that legal fight. And to me, I mean,

that was something as a constitutional law attorney, that was something that was so grievous to our

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