Hello and welcome to the Bullock Podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller here with my old friend Robert Draper. He reports on politics

with the New York Times. He wrote the recent cover story for New York Times magazine

How Mark Meadows became the least trusted man in Washington.

It was delicious.

I'm excited to talk to him about it.

He also wrote Weapons of Mass Delusion.

A couple other books.

I want to do some throwbacks.

I want to talk about some of your older books, Draper.

So I hope your memory is fresh this

morning I hope it is too but thanks for having me on any of that all right happy

to have you brother before we get to Meadows I want to start with a little bit of

news it's related in a dark way to something your wife Kirsten Powers recently wrote yesterday

we had one dead 20 wounded 11 of the wounded were children in Kansas City in a mass

shooting at the Chief Super Bowl parade.

There was another school shooting at a high school in Georgia

that had four wounded.

Your wife wrote recently, the way we live in the US

is not normal as part of a longer kind of meditation on

thinking about becoming an expatriate you know there's not much to say about the

stuff that hasn't already been said at this point but I was just wondering

kind of your reactions yesterday

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