Rob Joyce, NSA Director of Cybersecurity
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 7 April 2023
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Rob Joyce is the Director of the Cybersecurity Directorate at the National Security Agency. He's been NSA's top cryptologic representative in the United Kingdom and has also worked in the U.S. National Security Council.
David Kris, Lawfare contributor and former Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division, and Bryan Cunningham, Lawfare contributor and Executive Director of the University of California, Irvine’s Cybersecurity Policy & Research Institute, sat down with Rob to talk about his career trajectory, the quantum decryption threat, strategic competition in cyber with the People's Republic of China, and cooperation between the private sector and the government in cyberspace.
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| 0:29.0 | They also come against law firms, right? |
| 0:37.0 | They've recognized that all your intellectual property goes to your law firm |
| 0:42.0 | as you consider patents and trademarks, |
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| 0:58.0 | to collect data there instead of trying to go at the major defense company. |
| 1:03.0 | So the operations are always going to be creative in trying to find the weak link |
| 1:11.0 | and the way around the defenses. |
| 1:14.0 | And so there's never going to be a day that we're done working cybersecurity in itself. |
| 1:20.0 | We're going to have to keep following the adversary |
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| 1:31.0 | And I'm Brian Cunningham, and this is the LawFair podcast April 7, 2023. |
| 1:36.0 | Rob Joyce is the director of the Cybersecurity Directorate |
| 1:40.0 | at the National Security Agency. |
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