We've been really struggling a bit with how do we repurpose the event because the content

as good, those that show up is really good.

And so I've joked that we should call it the underwriting insuretech collaboration

in Chertech seminar in SureTac.

Does that spell something out?

I'm trying to work out.

I don't know right now.

No, but just if we put it in there enough times, we're going to buzz, then, you know, maybe people can, you know, it's easy to justify the travel expense of the boss or something.

Hello, Matthew Grant here, partner at Instect London, and we're bringing you an extra special midweek episode of the Interstate London podcast here

and this is my chat with Rob Garbraith who is over in London recently. Rob whose daytime job

is head of innovation at workers' comp insurance company AF group is well known to followers of

insuretech. He was once described as the most interesting man in

insurance and earlier this year he released what has become a rather successful book,

The End of Insurance as we know it. We found we had a lot to talk about, lots of friends in

common and so it's episode is a little bit longer than our usual 30 minutes but we covered a lot of ground in our discussion

and of course we are being supported this autumn by insurance insider one of my favorite sources of information on the specialty insurance reinsurance and wholesale markets from around the world

Rob welcome to the Instac London podcast.

Thank you, Matthew.

It's great to be here.

Now, most people I start off and ask them if they've done podcasts before,

and a surprising number of people say no, but you've done so many.

I think you've actually been a guest almost as many

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