Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So,

whether you're a grizzled veteran, finding out that the publishing you sold 25 years ago

is now owned by the private equity group, Black Rock, or else a scrappy upstart, trying to sell your

publishing in perpetuity to a company that just has a trailer set up on a vacant lot on Dumanbrian Street, this is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off

actually writing.

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