Mike.

Lauren.

Mike, how do you feel when you see an autonomous vehicle on the road?

Because we're seeing a lot of them these days around where we live in San Francisco.

Are you excited? Do you feel trepidation?

I feel low-grade anxiety.

I'm usually on my bike, so I give them a very wide berth.

I don't exactly trust them yet.

Sometimes I see people texting or Snapchatting while they're driving, and I'm like, yeah,

let's just bring on the autonomous vehicles. But I'm also curious, like, how soon that's a reality.

Oh, a decade, at least. People love driving their cars. It's going to take a while.

Well, we might get a little more clarity on this from our guests on the podcast today.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to Gadget Lab. I'm Lauren Good. I'm a senior writer at Wired. And I'm Michael

Colori. I'm a senior editor at Wired. And today we're also joined by Wired staff writer Ariane Marshall. Hey,

Ariane. Hello. It's been a while and it's great to have you back on. So nice to be here.

So today we're talking about self-driving cars or autonomous vehicles.

Now, Ariane, you cover all elements of transportation for us here at Wired. And recently during

CES, the big annual consumer electronics fest, you spoke with Jody Kelman, the head of Lyft's

autonomous driving division. And you also spoke with Aubrey Donnellin,

who is a co-founder and the chief operating officer at Bear Flag Robotics. A lot of people

have probably heard of Lyft, maybe not so much Bear Flag. But what you should know about

Bear Flag Robotics is that they are now owned by John Deere. So both of them painted pretty

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