Chat GPD was such a surprise.

You know, chat GPT was a jump ahead, which I think surprised even the people have been working out.

How quickly after the World Wide Web had been established, did you start to feel that people were going to do bad things with it?

It was the 2016 elections when I was a bit of a sort of a wake-up moment.

People said, you know what? People may have been manipulated.

There's been this assumption that we could create, you know, the first law of AI.

You will not kill humans. You will not harm your creator.

Those days have gone.

Hello and welcome to Ways to Change the World.

I'm Christian Gurie Murphy and this is the podcast in which we talk to extraordinary people

about the big ideas in their lives and the events that have helped shape them.

My guest this week has changed the world in extraordinary ways, and ways you may not even

realize that you use day in, day out, whether it's on your personal computer, your mobile

phone or even your television set, because Sir Tim Berners-Lee is the inventor of the

World Wide Web, which underpins pretty much everything we use on the internet. And his book, this is for everyone,

is a description of his own life. It's autobiographical, but it also examines what has happened to

the worldwide web, how it's been used by social media, where it's going in terms of AI,

and how he feels we can build a hopeful, constructive and good future.

So Tim, thank you for coming.

This is a really hopeful book in that you say it is still possible to build a technological world in which we use the internet in good ways for good.

So there are people out there, there are non-profit people, there are people,

there are people, over-sus programmers and so on are out there,

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