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Welcome to Kindled Podcast.

I'm your host, Haley Williams, and this is the show where we talk about work,

motherhood, and the grace we need for both. We are making and being made. Come join us.

Hello, hello. Welcome back to Kindled podcast. I'm your host, Haley Williams. Today, I'm going to be

chatting with the ladies of risen motherhood. Emily Jensen and Laura Wiffler. They are everyone's favorite sister-in-laws, right? I mean, you guys love them, too.

I've been listening to these girls' podcasts for as long as I've actually been listening to

podcasts. So it was just a joy to get to finally chat with them and have a conversation about

why moms need gospel hope and not simply

the hope of just being a good or a better mom. Emily and Laura are so down to earth and real about

what it looks like in their own life when they're not putting their hope in Jesus. So this

conversation was extremely encouraging and uplifting for me, and I know it will be

for you too. So here's my conversation with Laura and Emily. Hello, ladies. Hello. Hey, we're

excited to be here. Thanks for having us. Yes, I'm so excited to be chatting with you guys. We were

just mentioning before we started recording that we have some mutual

friends and they are actually the ones, because Emily, you used to go to my church here in the city,

and they're the ones that introduced me to your show years ago. And then it got me thinking,

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