Hey, everyone, Gomer here. Welcome nerds to Catching Foxes. Today we interview Dr. Greg Botaro. He is a Catholic psychologist, the director of the Catholic Psych Institute, and the Catholic Psych Academy. He developed the Catholic Mindfulness Online Course, and here's this school. Before getting his doctorate, he spent four years living as a Franciscan friar serving the poor in the tradition

of St. Francis.

I didn't even know that.

And we never even talk about that.

And now that I'm recording this bio, I deeply regret that.

This is for entertainment purposes only.

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And now, Dr. Greg Potaro.

There are two things that resonate so much with this.

Like, for me, one of the comments I literally just listened to it the other day on YouTube,

it was Jordan Peterson was debating an atheist who was, you know, I can't remember what he's saying.

And he's saying, and he said, yeah, the person that is analytical might not see the need for God. But you're not just you. Like, you are many persons inside. And he meant like, you know, like kind of like these subsisting person personas. And he's like, but the you who's creative, you know, who's not as analytical or whatever, he's like, might desperately need the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, like, to actually, you know, whatever.

He's going off and I was like, there's some truth to what he's saying, but I'm, I'm, so I wanted to understand, like, that approach.

Like, okay, the rings of the tree, I think, are very effective.

Because it's like this scared little boy who, I don't know, like, was hurt by girls when I was eight.

That scared little boy manifests in, like, a panic attack when I'm talking to a pretty girl or something like that, right?

Like, there's a defense mechanism. I'm just using a very stupid example, but, there's a defense mechanism. But, like, there's a defense mechanism there.

I mean, let's be honest, I've worked with plenty of seminarians over the years

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