John and just again to we clarify this on January 6 what did you want to happen and how was that

historically grounded and the history of our country, how would that have taken place?

So just so the viewers can understand what would have unfolded and how that would have

ultimately been constitutional.

So there, you know, several things.

Some people had urged that Vice President Pence simply had power to reject electors whose certification was still pending in legal contests.

I don't believe that.

I don't either.

And I don't either.

And I explicitly told Vice President Pence in the Oval Office on January 4th that even though it was an open issue

under the circumstances we had, I thought it was the weaker argument, and it would be foolish to exercise such power even if he had it.

What I recommended and I've said this repeatedly is that he accede to request from more than

a hundred state legislators in the swing states to give them a week to try and

sort out the impact of what everybody acknowledged was illegality in the

conduct of the election. I specifically said. Yeah, not everyone acknowledged it, but that was the argument that was being made, obviously.

And there were obviously irregularities that everybody had seen, but whether that was, yeah, whether it rose to the level of changing the outcome of the election

again without a legal proceeding in the states that mattered the argument

ultimately was a difficult one to make I mean hence here we are that's

Donald Trump's lawyer John Eastman and his co-defendant in the Georgia criminal

RICO case I'm Ben Mycellus from the Midas Touch Network.

And you can see as you watch that Laura Ingram was just aware that Eastman was further incriminating himself, and you saw that she was trying to cut him off as he was

digging the hole even deeper for himself, but now he's also digging the whole deeper for

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