Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Happy Marty Graw,

delighted to have with me, an old buddy, co-founder of the Lincoln Project AdMaker,

political strategist. His substack is against all enemies. We have a lot of those. It's Rick Wilson. What's up, man? Hey, how are you, brother? Happy in Mardi Gras. I'm well. I'm well. I'm happy to be here with you, you know, cut loose before Ash Wednesday a little bit, you know, be a little more sober-minded tomorrow.

You know, maybe sneak out to the quarter for a banana daquery after this.

Never hurts. Never hurts.

My child's already out there on the parade writ, you know, getting all the, getting all the bullshit.

Getting all the crap.

We got nothing but crap around here.

Yeah.

Our house. Nothing but crap. You got America's feed surplus. Yeah. The first floor of our

house is just full of shit. But A, everyone's got a lot of joy. We've got a bunch to get to.

Me and Bill Crystal did, I don't know, 30 minutes on Little Marco yesterday. And so I don't know

if we need to belabor the point too much,

but I feel very remiss to not let you, you know, take a few bites out of your fellow Florida man.

I wonder what you thought about his Munich and, you know, as a guy as a guy who supported Marco,

you know, as far back as when he ran for Speaker of the House, a bunch of Silicon Valley

guys who put together an outside Marco

effort in 16 that I worked on. I was a longtime supporter of Marco Rubio because, you know,

it seemed like Marco was our future. It seemed like Marco was a guy who could communicate

with with a rising cohort of voters and was not going to get swept up in the crappulousness of the,

of Trumpism. And yet, he is their greatest prize in some ways because he has fallen the

furthest and has given up everything he ever claimed to believe in. And this week, you know,

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