I think that where we're putting a schedule ahead of people or a value of kindness,

we can miss a lot of the living. Hi, this is Let It Out. I'm Katie. Today's guest, Madeline Doer. She's a writer and interviewer exploring how we can broaden the definition of a day well spent. And we unpack that in this episode. She's contributed columns and features to BBC work life, the design files,

ABC Life, and many more places. And she has been most notably maybe writing about how people

navigate their days on her really popular site you probably already know

about it extraordinary routines and her brilliant podcast routines and ruts highly recommend both

we get into all of the above in today's episode as well as talking about her latest project which is really

exciting it's a new book that is out today if you're listening to this the day it comes out

and it's already out in australia where she lives it's called i didn't do the thing today i flew through

it i got an early copy and I loved it.

I'm so excited for you to hear more about it.

We get into the richness that comes from not doing the thing that you were going to do in a day

and how growth comes from change.

We get into the paradox of choice and infinite browsing mode,

indecision, habits and routines, the richness that comes in ruts, actually. And my favorite part,

I think, is this interesting section of her book about leaving room for kindness and surprise in our days.

I loved speaking with her. I'm so excited for you to hear it. We recorded it recently just last

week. If you're listening to this in real time, it's super fresh. If you're tuning in to this

podcast for the first time, stick around at the end if you want to hear more about me and my work.

And actually, I end up sharing quite a bit about me in this episode more than usual since there's a lot of parallels between Madeline and I.

We overlap and got into that a little bit. And if you've been listening for a while, welcome back. I'm so,

so grateful that you're here. And I want to get to this conversation. Enjoy my talk with Madeline from

last week. Madeline, I'm so happy that you're here. And we were, we were chatting before this and just so excited to

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