If you want to see the Richard Establishment, which runs this country, exposed, unapologetic,

naked, it's knackers out in full public view, then look no further than the whole Richard

Sharp saga, quick-tracy. This guy, of course, is the chair of the BBC. He's resigned,

though he's staying in place until a replacement is found. Also happens to be good pals with

Boris Johnson, that's Address Grace former Prime Minister, and he's also the former mentor

of our current Prime Minister, Rishi Senak, while they were both at Goldman Sachs.

Now today's resigned, as I've said, as BBC's chair, because he breached the rules on public

appointments by failing to declare his link to a secret £800,000 loan made to the

disgraced Prime Minister, so I was just talking about Boris Johnson. Let's just hear from

Gabriel Pogrand, who deserves a huge amount of credit as the Sunday Times investigative journalist

who blew this whole saga wide open. But what wasn't known was the fact they'd actually

discussed it inside Downhill Street and at Sharp, had intimate knowledge and was in fact involved

in negotiations about underwriting a Prime Minister's day-to-day finances in office.

Gabriel, you said Boris Johnson's team was effective in deterring you at the beginning when you

came forward with this story. I mean, is that part of the problem you've got Boris Johnson,

who is a friend of Richard Sharp? He was a mentor to the current Prime Minister,

even the person that was going to conduct a report into him had to stand aside because he knew him.

This is a political appointment. Does this now effectively cause a lot of problems for this role

as BBC Chairman in the way that it's structured at the moment? Does this all look very bad?

It certainly looks bad. I think I'm obviously a humble reporter, so don't have any intellectual

original opinions of my own, but I think it is apparent that even by the standards of BBC

appointments and times gone by, this certainly gave the appearance of co-aziness, of friends who

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