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Sounds True: Insights at the Edge

Richard Davidson & Cortland Dahl: “Flourishing Is Contagious, and It’s Easier Than You Think”

Sounds True: Insights at the Edge

Tami Simon

Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2026

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

What if flourishing isn't something you have to achieve, but something you were born to do? Tami Simon speaks with neuroscientist Richard Davidson and contemplative scientist Cortland Dahl, authors of Born to Flourish: How New Science and Ancient Wisdom Reveal a Simple Path to Thriving, about four trainable skills—awareness, connection, insight, and purpose—that can transform your wellbeing in as little as five minutes a day.

This conversation offers genuine transmission—not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together. Originally aired on Sounds True One.

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0:00.0

The Sounds True Podcast Network.

0:08.2

This is the kind of evidence that leads us to title the book the way we did, that we literally are born to flourish.

0:17.2

This isn't like another self-improvement program.

0:19.2

It's really recognizing what's already here,

0:22.0

what we already have, and then building from there. And it's just a totally different inner process

0:25.5

when you view it that way. In this episode of Insights at the Edge, my guests are Richie Davidson

0:34.2

and Cortland Doll from the Center for Healthy Ms at the University of Wisconsin-Madison,

0:40.5

and they're the authors of the new book, Born to Flourish, How New Science and Ancient Wisdom

0:48.3

reveal a simple path to thriving. Perhaps you've heard of Richie Davidson. He's one of the most highly cited

0:56.7

scientists in the world. He's known for his groundbreaking work studying emotion and the brain,

1:04.0

and also what we can learn from long-term meditators that we can put into practical application in our lives.

1:13.0

Cortland Dahl is a contemplative scientist who works closely with Ritchie at the Center for

1:18.8

Healthy Minds. He's a translator of Buddhist texts. He's author of the book, A Meditator's Guide

1:25.3

to Buddhism, and he's co-founder, an executive director of Tiergarh International,

1:32.2

which is a global meditation community rooted in the teachings of Mingyrimpichae.

1:38.0

Friends, stay with us.

1:47.0

Richie, Cortland, welcome.

1:48.5

Thank you, Tammy.

1:49.7

Good to be here.

1:51.6

Yeah, it's great to be here with you both.

1:52.7

Thank you for having us on.

1:58.8

You're known and you refer to yourself as activist scientists.

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