Hello and welcome to a brand new episode of Happy Mum, Happy Baby, the podcast.

Today's guests, there are two of them, have sat alongside each other on the sofa for

years and I don't mean in a sense of sat alongside each other watching Bridgetone or

the Crown or anything like that, they've actually been on our screens.

I have TV royalty with me today, not only that, they have a hugely successful book club

which as an author I have to say it's the book club that everyone wants to be a part of.

I haven't been but I love you, it's okay, I forgive you. They also have raised together

four children and and now grandparents. Today's guests, if you haven't guessed already,

it's rich and duty. Hello. How are you both? We're very well, I mean sort of, I'm not really expecting

any of us to kind of do anything much before Easter and it still seems such a long way away

the spring doesn't it? It's a battle, it's a battle getting through this kind of weather

and this kind of crisis but we seem to be kind of getting there with the vaccines and stuff.

Yeah, it's much worse than the first lockdown isn't it? I mean the first lockdown,

we were just blessed with amazing weather across most of the country, it was incredible,

you know, sitting out in the garden, sipping wine, you thought this is punishment,

you know, this is a pandemic, I mean we can tell that your children have left home

just in those few sentences there, sign the garden drinking wine. What time is wine the clock for

you then? What time do you allow yourself to? About half our seven. Oh okay. Which is okay but then

that's when we start our work. Yeah, of course. Because you're with the kids all day and then you work

in the evening and so you must get very tired then. I mean it must be full on for you all day and

all evening. Yeah it is, it's quite intense but then I think there's come to point at 11 o'clock

where we're both like we have to stop so we sit down and we've just started watching this

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