Named one of the 25 fittest men in the world and also named a guru of reinvention.

My good friend Rich Roll is about to rock your world.

If you're out there trolling around the internet and you've ever listened to me and or my guest, Rich Roll, it's been said that we are brothers from another mother and for good reason.

Every time we sit down, our conversations are awesome. We have a lot in common and a few stark contrasting differences, which I love to explore.

And in my conversation today with Rich, boy, I,

he and I have sat down for a handful of shows. He's been on my show before. I've been on his.

This particular conversation is of special interest because we get to go deep on the notion

of learning from others, the idea of growth, of transformation, of

empowerment. These are messages that have been really thematic and common in both of our

careers. It's so fun to put both of these, both of us together and deconstruct, not just

one another, but in particular guests that Rich Roll has had on his show, many of whom I know

personally, because he's got a new book out and his new book is called Voicing Change.

A fantastic, amazing coffee table book.

You're going to want to gift it.

But this episode, again, we traverse the grounds of reinvention, transformation, chasing dreams,

and how to understand and define those dreams in a way that most people struggle.

We most people, um, most people struggle to explain what it is they want to do or have a

clear focus, which is a huge, huge issue.

And between my experiences, uh, Rich's personal experiences and of course, the experiences

of more than 500 guests that he's had on the show, we get to some real meat and potatoes in this thing. And I don't know. I'd say that he would get to some real broccoli and potatoes because he's, if you didn't know this already about Rich, he is a vegan and plant power advocate.

All right.

So I'm going to get out of the way.

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