that minimists.

How do you move away from work life balance and start to think of work life

integration? It seems like this is something we need to give thought to is

working from home becomes the new norm.

You've been working from home for a while, but you do the thing that I do,

but just differently, you have a separate place to work.

Yeah. I think that's one of the keys. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I think that's really important. I think it's having boundaries

around when you're working and when you're not, because when you work from home,

you can just always be working. And even when you're not really working,

you're kind of working and it just bleeds into everything. And then you're

not present for anything in your life that isn't work related. Right. Yeah.

So, so the work life balance thing, I mean, to me, it's more like the work

life integration, right? And that's what Chris is saying here. And I,

I think it's much harder if everything is integrated. If you're working and

having a family and having dinners and everything's at home right now,

everything it becomes this stew and you can't, there's a balance within the

stew. It's all sort of integrated, right? And so I find the way that,

I mean, the reason we rent a co-working space is it's easier for me to be able to

come here and do the thing, if I'm writing a book or whatever. But it also,

it sets up a trigger, a creative environment for me where I feel different in

that space. And even we were trying to do the Zoom thing from home for a

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